Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

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Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby Micheal » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:49 pm

All that has been announced so far:
    6K
    15 Stops or Greater Dynamic Range
    120 Frames Per Second at Full 5K
    85 Frames Per Second (at least) at Full 6K
    Sensor Size: 30×15.8mm
    Pixel Size: 5 microns
    Improved Low-Light
    Late 2012 $6,000 Upgrade for Epic

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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby Sebastian » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:51 am

The Scarlet can only process up to 12FPS in 5K (15 Mpix), now if I use the same math it would be able to do around 9 FPS with the 6K (21 Mpix) Red Dragon. If I used 4K capture at 25FPS the only change this new image sensor would bring is a smaller imaging area (beside the better dynamic range).
So what benefit would this new sensor have for Scarlet users?
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby Micheal » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:54 pm

According to Red, it will be a major upgrade for the scarlet. No word on price as of yet or release.
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby Biel Bestué » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:29 pm

maybe there is other changes other than the imager, maybe they also update the circuit that handles both the image A/D conversion and the files management, so there is an increased transfer rate?
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby Sebastian » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:51 pm

From: http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com ... 0858093466
"We didn't make this one but if you need a sensor like this, send me $2.5 million and wait 12 months and it's yours."

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby Micheal » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:34 pm

Sebastian wrote:From: http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com ... 0858093466
"We didn't make this one but if you need a sensor like this, send me $2.5 million and wait 12 months and it's yours."

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Lets do it! :lol:
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby arniepix » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:01 pm

Not to throw water on your fireworks show, but Red has a history of changing its final delivery price & specs.

The 6k sensor upgrade with 15 stops dynamic range for $6k may wind up being a 5.2k update with 12 stops dynamic range for $7k or more. That would still be an upgrade from the current Epic.

And don't be surprised if they charge at least double for the Scarlett upgrade (if they allow it at all).
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby tequilamango » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:31 pm

Who needs a 6K sensor and what kind of a recorder and for what price to record 6K, I read that many movies made with 2/3 sensors and looks great on the big screen, it is very hard to find a 4K recorder for a decent price, it reminds me with someone who keeps buying audio equipment to listen to music but has no time to do so, because he spent his time buying and wiring the latest, how about making movies with 2K and 4K systems.
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby arniepix » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:14 pm

tequilamango wrote:I read that many movies made with 2/3 sensors and looks great on the big screen


Quite true. "Slumdog Millionaire", "127 Hours", "Public Enemies" & "Prairie Home Companion" all spring to mind.

tequilamango wrote:it is very hard to find a 4K recorder for a decent price


AJA just announced a 4k version of their KiPro, expected to sell for $4k. Not cheap, but much less expensive than any previous solution. I think the next cheapest solution is the Convergent Gemini, for about $2k more.
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Re: Red's new 6K sensor - The Dragon

Postby tequilamango » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:31 pm

arniepix wrote:[ I think the next cheapest solution is the Convergent Gemini, for about $2k more.


I do not think so, one of their their guys at the NAB thinks the price could be over 14,000 USD, I hope that they changed their mind after Blackmagic surprise.
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